okay blame it on the various governments....

the fact remains we aren't taking very good care of the people already here. perhaps we need to sort that out before we add a load more people that we can't care for.

i understand you all feel strongly that we can easily afford to take care of more people. i understand you think anyone who disagrees with you is a little Englander of little account and small intelligence.

however let me assure you, people at the bottom of the pile in this society - they have it very tough....their should be prioritised. before bankers bonuses. maybe before these people who aren't citizens of this country.

i suppose that is the real debate ...whether you think their needs should go to the top of the pile. i can see you have your opinions. all that i would ask is that you accept there are shades of quite thoughtful opinion on this subject.