The thing is, bill, I do believe what good competent scientists tell me, and I presume you would say the same.   However, I try not to rely on the fact that I do trust them, but rather try to only use arguments I can use with at least some understanding.   I might be as frustrated as you in your not taking my pov on board. You present this as a science against creationism debate , and I could make a reverse simplistic equation.   Both sides are influenced by a worldview that influences how data is interpreted, and both sides endeavour to present scientific arguments to affirm theirs and detract from the other. You mention the scientific method. Would you care to explain what you mean by that, and how that informs origins science?