So shimrod, which part of kerkuts definition did you take issue with.. Seemed to me to be an accurate, concise description of what you atheists believe.   Though of course it does highlight the unproven, dependant on interpretation nature of your belief.   I don't recall appealing to anything else Kerkut said , so your challenge seems quite irrelevant. And as to increase in scientific knowledge, how's about you tell us how that helps your cause "I,ll let you do the work", and then I will tell you again how new discoveries make evolutionism even more unlikely !