The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #158223   Message #3744874
Posted By: Steve Shaw
18-Oct-15 - 06:34 AM
Thread Name: BS: The Pope in America
Subject: RE: BS: The Pope in America
Well maybe you want a snooker ball version of evolution. I really have tried to explain this. It's irreducible: natural selection has no direction, no goal, no end point, no drive towards complexity, no drive towards perfection. That is the whole point, one hundred percent. It leads to failed branches, blind endings and extinctions as well as to successful (for a time) species. Almost all mutations are failures. It is predicated on massive over-production of offspring, most of which don't survive. It simply can't be kicked off, driven along, tweaked, overseen or have bits added by a creator, even one who works in mysterious ways. I'm not trying to keep your Godly vision of the world and evolution at arms length from each other. And it isn't my opinion. it's the way it is. Insert a creator or driving force and you lose the whole explanation for life on earth that has so much evidence going for it. You simply can't have your cake and eat it here. I know that many people of faith believe in evolution, but trying to marry evolution to God just won't wash. I take no pleasure in that, no matter how much it makes you cross. You can have both, but only if you allow evolution to get on with it unfettered. That means no creator, I'm afraid. If that means emasculating God, so be it. You're scientifically-minded, so think it through like a scientist. You both think I'm too simple-minded to understand your concept of God/world view, however you want to put it. Well try constructing one in which God is the spirit that fires all, an inspirational force, but without making him a creator or a magician. Even I could swallow something along those lines. Of course, you're entitled to your own theory to explain life if you think you can do better. And if all that jars with your world view, that isn't my doing. Don't shoot the messenger.