Dtg - "There is nothing mystical about it really and I am sure that it is
part of the human mind that we simply do not yet understand "

Yes I would go with that too. Although the word mystical can cover
many things,but yes I think I agree.


Just as many people have this happen that don't meditate/pray so
it's hard to pin it down.Totally agree with your thoughts on meditation but I never found it useful,except as a quick recharge/refresher, if meditation is what I was doing, and it was only for a week or two. A lot of people naturally just sit back from their thoughts anyway.
So, now slag me for opting back in the thread 8) I found your post surprisingly reasonable for a gnome.
    Few myths to dispel,Hallucinogens and ingested dmt will not deliver what I'm talking about completely different animal. Even if we find that naturally occurring dmt does not play a role looking at the pineal and it's role in this is the way to go imho.
    Another myth, it has to be tortuous, it's a self induced near death exp, both wrong assumptions. Although I suspect similar probably happens at death the healthy waking process is different. They reckon people who have had OBE'S can slip into it easier. They being the people who've had it.
    So can we get close to accepting there maybe enough data from history and present day that there is an energetic process that human beings can go through that cumulates in brain activity that involves a brilliance of light ie lightbulb space (sorry my clumsy term) which in turn leaves the person "elevated/lightened" for a time
afterwards ? .. No..ok worth a stab though.
To me it's blatantly flaming obvious,regardless of any of our thoughts
on its benefit
      Steve when the coroner sends the bits back I'll be attending a
woman of 37 yrs of age funeral. Addiction killed her, no blood
relation to me, we all loved her despite her addiction. The Mrs
and I raised her two kids to adulthood,adopted them. I've lost say
20-30, old friends to addiction and hiv caught through addiction.
So believe you me you dopey fekin eejit 8) I'm not advocating
anybody to use drugs. You couldn't possibly know my views
on drugs and why I have them,so I know you mean't no harm.
Just that hair trigger of yours again..oh I'm joking.
      Taking a step sideways, when drug addicts get clean
they are told they have a lifelong disease, "the monkey"
Addicts call periods of clean time white knuckling they exist in a
chi-less world constantly dropping into adrenal fatigue,they just have
to cope and many admirably do.There is no medical cure except
low opiate maintenance and many can't accept those handcuffs.
    The only thing that I have ever seen flush the monkey
out of people is this process I'm talking about. We all have
our little monkeys,addicts have gorillas. So you see, forget God
forget cosmic consciousness the very fact that it can heal
addiction if the addict can be made to understand, which is rare
unfortunately,the relief is available. AA and NA can
trigger it but like religion doesn't deliver enough.
    Nothing I have typed is outlandish and very reasonable
based on scrutinising all sorts of data,if anyone else does
the same you would have to agree there is a process and it does
have value regardless of personal circumstances (state you're in)
      Now for the religious. I am not reducing God to a chemical
phsical process, and you can only take this so far until you hit
the source question, that, nobody now or ever has known.
    Peace n shit (just to keep the hippie vibe going)
ps
Can't see me getting time to indulge anymore,but I hope I
don't make too many waves as not my intention.Relax..digest
what you've learnt 8) ok bad joke.