Christ on a bloody bike. Where to begin?

First off, Time Stamp, you are a very complicated person, not at all like me, who is very very simple. Let's get one thing straight. I would never deny that people might have out of body experiences. But here's the thing. We have their word for it. We can collect a dozen, a hundred or a thousand such anecdotes. But I've been educated as a scientist to dismiss witness as evidence. You see, what happens here is that a few people describe in colourful words their alleged experiences, and a bandwagon starts to roll. Which is not for a single second to say that I'm calling them liars, etc. But how hard it gets to sort the wheat from the chaff. There may well be a lot in it for all I know. But there is no evidence that meets the standard for evidence required by science. That standard is there for a reason, the reason being that we don't make progress in the accumulation of knowledge if we rely on hearsay or witness.


"So can we get close to accepting there maybe enough data from history and present day that there is an energetic process that human beings can go through that cumulates in brain activity that involves a brilliance of light ie lightbulb space (sorry my clumsy term) which in turn leaves the person "elevated/lightened" for a time
afterwards ? .. No..ok worth a stab though..."

You may think it's worth a stab but I don't think it's worth a hill of beans without evidence, and your attempt at ratifying your strange notions by saying that "we're close to accepting..."is pseudoscience at its most blatant.

As for your rant about drugs, which appears to cast me in something of a false light in view of what I actually posted (I'm not bothered), you appear to have had a career in dodgy substances that I haven't had. Well good for you. I don't want this to sound too intolerant, which it probably will, but I have no desire to define the philosophy of life in terms of substance abuse. To me, that informs nothing at all apart from the predilections that some people have to pollute and degrade their mental attributes. "Altered states of consciousness", etc., can be, in certain hands, a game attempt to describe pissed or stoned in a more respectable way than is deserved This is not a really a thread about drug abuse. If you really want to talk about mind-altering or different states of consciousness, you need to define your terms first and then demonstrate how it actually happens, not come up with some bullshit about brain DMT producing shafts of light, etc., that you can't substantiate. Your ideas are very interesting, but you shit in your own bed by being abrasive towards people who haven't yet come across your particular brand of new ageism. Give me your email and I'll send you some lovely pics of Bude Canal. A lot has changed in recent years.