Joe, I,m none the wiser from your answer to my question, but I suspect further probing will not produce anything to answer the question.               And why tell me Steve, why the laws of nature cannot allow an eternal creator God, who creates those laws, along with the substance of them as relating to said laws.   On the contrary, the laws of nature as we know them , as best I can see, does not permit life arising from non life , or an effect without a sufficient cause. Such considerations of origins , is consistent wth there being an eternal creator God, but inconsistent with evolutionism claiming to be operating according to laws of nature.       Your oft repeated charge that the Romans must have written about Jesus in his earthly lifetime is an argument from silence , and does not address the many instances of non biblical ....as well as biblical....quotes relating to Christ and the early church not so ling after.   And if you want to teach kids the supposed evidence against the gospels, then teach them too the evidence against evolutionism.