As I said, Michael, it's about halfway through the programme, which started just after the 9am news summary - I think it was about 9.25 when I looked at my watch while listening to the original broadcast, as opposed to the online version put up on the BBC website afterwards. There will be a shortened repeat on radio 4 this evening at 9.30pm, too, but I don't know which bits get left out in the shortening!

Kitty