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Thread #158296   Message #3747357
Posted By: Jim Carroll
29-Oct-15 - 04:03 PM
Thread Name: BS: Tory party conference
Subject: RE: BS: Tory party conference
Kinealy says nothing of the sort.
Kinealy argued at firs (certainly at the time of your cut-n-paste that the famine was caused by neglect and adopting predatory business practices - that is the situation with all historians - revisionist and otherwise - that the outcome of The Famine was due to the Laissez Faire‎ policy adopted by Britain - no historian disputes that - even British historians - it is what Blair apologised for on his visit to Ireland - even revisionist, Mrs Woodham Smith, criticised Britain;'s "full warehouses, selling famine relief" behabvior.
Her book criticises the the Nationalist Government for not examining the causes of the Famine in depth and only dealing with the Laissez Faire‎ policy, even though she admits that they did so in order to maintain good relations with Britain so the many thousands of emigrants could easily settle in Britain during the bad years - 'The Emergency' as it is known here.
She has shifted her position in that she now supports Coogan's view, based on his new evidence, that The Famine was deliberately used to solve 'The Irish Problem.
You cannot hope to understand from out-of context cut-'n-pastes red the ***** book!
You suggest the Irish children were brainwashed - they weren't and there is no evidence of them having been.
Hastred of the British is centred in the North and is down to nearly a century of partitioning, anti-Catholic prejudice since the six counties were set up, the brutal way the Civil Rights Marches were put down in the 1960s, Bloody Sunday - and now a new kid on the block, the Ballymurphy Massacre carried out by the Paras prior to Bloody Sunday, where 11 civilians were shot down known as Belfast Bloody Sunday) now being investigated.
None of this has SFA to do with the famine and it never has.
You have been given the facts of Kinealy's book, you have been given the experiences of my family in the Irish education system - yet you continue to present the Irish people as a hate-filled, brainwashed people and insist that it is all down to the education system NO HISTORIAN HAS EVER MADE SUCH A SUGGESTION - ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE INVENTED YOUR OWN SCENARIO AND ARE BLAMING IT ON A HISTORIAN YOU HAVEN'T READ
Far from the Irish hating Britain, it is people like you who are hate filled - towards the Irish - how else would you explain your behaviour.
Your own stance far exceeds the worst of the Loyalists, who are, at least, attempting to come to terms with their past and put things right - you appear to be firmly in the grip of The Red Hand of Ulster - as I said - an extreme hate filled-right wing fanatic who extends his hatred to children.
Jim Carroll