i was just checking whether it's just that you'd like people to thnink the same way about these things, or whether you think something should be done to make them change.

Because while I'm perfectly happy with the first, I'd have serious difficulties with the second.

I think that a world view without God is ultimately every bit as impossible to comprehend and make sense of as the notion of a world centred on God. There's a choice between two absurdities, and I've made my choice, and it's the one that makes sense to me.

And when it comes to living, there are so many things about my religion that work for me that I'm happy to stick with it, warts and all, and since it's a communal thing, and not just individual, I value such expressions of that as are found in liturgy and education. And I think the schools on the whole work better than the secular alternative, and that's essentially thanks to the religious ethos.

I've tried doing without it, and that's over and done, I believe and hope.

And I've no expectation or desire to change your mind.