Personally, I think Achmelvich is right and while we let these discussions degenerate to this level we are all guilty of negating any chance of these threads acting as an exchange of ideas and knowledge
There are people here who don't want this - they appear to have neither and would rather shine like stars and win points.
If anybody has anything further to say on the subject in hand, I suggest we leave it there and move on.
Arguments with these people are simply stating the obvious and a bit of a waste of time and energy
Jim Carroll