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Thread #158223   Message #3748215
Posted By: Steve Shaw
02-Nov-15 - 07:43 PM
Thread Name: BS: The Pope in America
Subject: RE: BS: The Pope in America
Looking up at the moon is not an experiment. When a scientist repeats an experiment or sets up controls he or she does indeed hope to get some consistency, otherwise either the null hypothesis prevails or else the procedure has flaws that must be addressed. Verification comes from corroboration. From just looking up at it, the moon could be a rather large illuminated contraption half a mile above ground with an intricate internal lighting system that mimics phases and occasional eclipses. The whole shebang could be a hoax perpetrated by clever aliens. A sort of celestial Trojan horse, out of which hundreds of little green men will all surge one day to come and get you. Now you can look up at the moon every night for years and your huge number of repeat observations will fail to enlighten you further. You have to do more. You have to be curious and find some ways of getting more information to support your quite reasonable hypothesis that the moon appears to be a big rocky shiny thing that goes round the earth. You have to do some thinking to explain why it changes shape every night. Do some measurements and timings. Why does it lag by almost an hour a day? Get some technology to amplify your eyes. Send a rocket up to land on it to make measurements. Send up some astronauts, even better. Bring back some rocks. It's brilliant, all of it. It's science. Of course, you could ditch all that, cut out all the curiosity and the thinking, and declare that God put it there. Sorry for the bloody text block.

You've made a good start. You think the moon is genuine, not green cheese or put there by aliens. Those are very unlikely explanations and you can say that just by looking at it. There is still a chance that they may be correct, though. You have to do the science, not to prove them wrong, but to find a way towards the true answer. If you're absolutely convinced that it's made of green cheese, you stop right there. Nothing will ever get you to move on. What stunts you is that in the same way you refuse to do the science in your thinking about God. Compared to the moon, he hasn't got a chance. At least you can see the moon, that there's something there to work on. You choose the most unlikely, outlandish and unreasonable explanation for the world you can think of, then you refuse to investigate whether something else can get you nearer the truth. That's what's up. I can't really discuss science properly with you because you've closed off your mind to it. Too bad.   Well I've done God and I've done science and I can tell you which has been a damn sight more fun and more edifying. But you won't believe me.