> you lot can't even define it and PLEASE DON'T TRY!!!

If there's a desire to discuss it intelligently, one can define anything.

The kind of music that interests people like Jim and Steve and me and some others is undeniably real and, in various ways and shifting degrees, different from other kinds of music. Not so different as an apple from an orange, but different.

Anyway, illuminating discussions of "folk music" don't founder on slapping labels on things. If Mr. X calls "Finnegan's Wake" a "folk song" and Ms. Y doesn't, they can still talk intelligently about "Finnegan's Wake." Or they can wrangle pointlessly.