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Thread #158525   Message #3751243
Posted By: Jim Carroll
16-Nov-15 - 04:14 AM
Thread Name: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
Subject: RE: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
"I certainly have no recollection of ever having stated that Harry Patch was a liar. "
Your response to my accounts of the WW1 veteran we spent three days recording was "soldiers tell lies" - dismissing what had to say in three words - so much for your respect for war heroes!
You and your fellow jingoists have done this with every statement by veterans critical of the war raised in discussion - you prefer the offiucial establishment version rather than the words of those whoo actually fought.
You now appear to be calling me or Tommy Kenny a liar (again) in support of the official version.
You have ignored and continue to do so, the lies, distortions, the pressure, the blackmail and the open threats of imprisonment and death that caused people to join up.
Tommy Kenny joined up a couple of years after leaving school - like his contemporaries, he couldn't get work in poverty-stricken Liverpool, he was offered a wage, a uniform and the romance of foreign places and told the war was a forgone conclusion that would soon be over, so he lied about his age and joined up - that was the case with many thousands of young lads who risked and gave their lives to join the bloodbath.
The fact thay you couldn't find Tommy Kenny in your "researches" is immaterial - his interviews (carried out by me, two well-known singers and the folk scene and Tommy's grandson) is archived along with the rest of our collection in three national archives.   
Jeremy Paxman's programmes devoted a great deal of time to the machinations of recruiting - one of the high-spots was the master-recruiter. Horatio Bottomley, who presented jingoistic pantomimes downplaying and distorting the horrors of what was actually happening.         
Bottomley not only became a millionaire on his sending many thousands of young men to their deaths, but he was later jailed as a crook - too late to save the lives he helped take.
Jim Carroll