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Thread #158525   Message #3751296
Posted By: Jim Carroll
16-Nov-15 - 08:47 AM
Thread Name: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
Subject: RE: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
"Did Tommy Kenny regale you with stories of MPs shooting British soldiers who refused to go over the top and for returning to their trenches"
Nope - that was somebody else altogether in recollections of his grandfather - look the ***** thing up - you were given a link that was taken from the net.
The fact that it is inconvenient to your case does not make it a lie - it was told to the writer by his grandfather - another veteran who you choose to call a liar - you are adding to your score here by leaps and bounds - were there any World War One soldiers who told the truth, other the the ones who back your jingoism.
"A war to end all wars" was one of the ploys to get lads to joint up - it doesn't matter a toss which General believed it - certainly some of that lads did - you said so yourself, though not in so many words
"They died in order that you could be born and brought up and live in peace, security and liberty"
Another ploy was "a land fit for heroes to live in"
"The election was fought not so much on the peace issue and what to do with Germany, although those themes played a role. More important was the voters' evaluation of Lloyd George in terms of what he had accomplished so far and what he promised for the future. His supporters emphasised that he had won the Great War. Against his strong record in social legislation, he himself called for making "a country fit for heroes to live in""
SOME OF THE OTHER LIES
"Your "Home before Christmas" was shown and clearly demonstrated as being a myth"
No it wasn't - it was what many of the men went to the trenches believing - covered adequately in Paxman's programmes.
Doesn't matter a toss that those who spread it didn't believe it - that was the message circulated.
" The word of one single man who YOU have not even been able to establish whether or not he even ever served as a soldier does not count."
Again - not true - I attended his funeral and met some of those who knew him - he was the grandfather of a close friend - are you claiming that his family and friends invented his war-record?
Your jingoism gets more and more squalid
Harry Patch went on to say he had been conned and the war was not worth the sacrifice - you conveniently missed out the important bit.
Jim Carroll


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