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Thread #158525   Message #3751300
Posted By: Teribus
16-Nov-15 - 08:56 AM
Thread Name: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
Subject: RE: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
Ah Raggy another poor soul who cannot read:

Fifth Paragraph you say - is this:
"You got tots of rum.There were many a man who didn't like rum, didn't drink it. It used to warm you up. Life in the trenches, well…can you imagine now, going out from this room along the corridor and there is a trench dug across the lawn. Six feet deep and three feet wide. There is water and mud in the bottom. You sit on a trench at the side to sleep, don't matter whether it is wet, fine, hot or cold. Four days you are there and you got to stick it. That was the conditions."

Fifth Sub-section which is what I think you were referring so smugly to is this:

"Shell shock
You were in that trench. That was your front line. You had to keep an eye on the German front line. You daren't leave. No. I suppose if you left, and some of them did, they were shot as cowards. That is another thing with shell shock – I never saw anyone with it, never experienced it – but it seemed you stood at the bottom of the ladder and you just could not move. Shellshock took all the nervous power out of you.

An officer would come down and very often shoot them as a coward. That man was no more a coward than you or I. He just could not move. That's shell shock. Towards the end of war they recognised it as an illness. The early part of the war – they didn't. If you were there you were shot. And that was it. And there's a good many men who were shot for cowardice and they are asking now … that verdict be taken away. They were not cowards.


So Harry Patch, who, by his own admission never saw anyone with shellshock how on earth could he have possibly seen anyone shot because they suffered from it? A simple question I know Raggy but one I just thought I had to ask as what Harry seems to be doing is contradicting himself.

Now Jim Carroll's Tommy Kenny and the Musktwats when they were posting were very specific they alleged that British soldiers were shot by the Military Police or "REDTOPS" as Musktwat called them – here Harry Patch states British Officers shot shellshock victims that he himself never saw. Amounts somewhat to a great deal less than overwhelming proof doesn't it.

Nice try – carry on digging.