I am still quite amazed that teribums seems to be oblivious of the fact that I am not disputing any of his, or Keith's, 'facts' when even Keith seems to have eventually twigged that. I have always said that it is the attitude of some posters that is particularly obnoxious, not the content. How anyone can be so intent on winning completely useless points while seeming to be completely oblivious of the human suffering is, I suppose, a reflection of their wartime role models. Fortunately none of the merry little band here are in a position to cause anyone any damage.