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Thread #158268   Message #3753809
Posted By: Bill D
26-Nov-15 - 06:52 PM
Thread Name: BS: Umpqua: the gun was innocent...
Subject: RE: BS: Umpqua: the gun was innocent...
Way back in Oct., McGrath said: "Whatever the 2nd amendment means, if Americans wanted to change it, they could. "

I was answering various points back then, somehow I missed a direct reply to that..(although I answered it in other places.)

I will state that McGrath's remark is technically true, but trivially so. *IF* enough people in enough states elected enough of the 'right' legislators, we could have either a constitutional convention or have an amendment proposed to change things.

from this site:http://www.lexisnexis.com/constitution/amendments_howitsdone.asp


"How is the Constitution amended?"
Article V of the Constitution prescribes how an amendment can become a part of the Constitution. While there are two ways, only one has ever been used. All 27 Amendments have been ratified after two-thirds of the House and Senate approve of the proposal and send it to the states for a vote. Then, three-fourths of the states must affirm the proposed Amendment.

The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states."


Note: This is after and IF we elect the legislators who will introduce the amendment at all! Before that, we have to solve the Gerrymandering of Congressional districts that keep electing Conservatives even when more liberals live in the state.
Someone said "money talks", and it talks very loudly when those who already have too many guns are spending more money to make sure they can buy MORE guns.

... and still I can't quite get the idea across that amending a vague 250 year old rule to make sense is very clearly NOT what gun owners and manufacturers want!! (If you are in the gun business, you need a mentality that says "everyone needs more guns!" even when there are already too many guns. Guns don't decay or mold and go bad... so there is no simple, automatic mechanism for a continuing need.)
   They are using the rules to make sure the rules are not amended! The Supreme Court? 'Maybe' if we get a 7-2 liberal court someday... that is, 7 justices who are willing to risk their own lives and deal with an uprising of today's brand of militias who already have enough guns to start a war....add to this the simplistic idea that recent increases in gun violence means we all 'need' guns for self-defense and.............. gee, I hope I don't have to repeat all this again when someone says "but if you Americans really wanted to change..."