Keith
The repetitious and somewhat disturbing nati#ure of your postings has taken on the nature of the feeble minded (very politically incorrect I am sure, but summing up your behaviour here)
You ask for examples - you have been given them over and over again - try reading your own unread historians - Max Hastings will do for a start (Nope that won't do - doesn't suit so it's all lies)
You have dismissed historians you haven;''t read because they doesn't fit - you have called the men who fought liars because what they say doesn't fit.
The people of Britain have always known how badly the war was led and what a useless bloodbath it was - so last year, a century after the war started, the establishment mounted a campaign to repatriate its reputation - pretending that we had got our knowledge from Blackadder and Oh What a Lovely War - how ****** insulting can you get.
All our families were affected by that ****** adventure - we lost a grandfather and another spent his life with his head bowed because he didn't want people to see the horrific gas burns.
Tommy Kenny - the man we recorded for three days (me, John Faulkner, Sandra Kerr and his grandson Colin, a leading virologist in Queen Mary's Hospital, Paddington at the time) told us exactly how it was - being conned into joining in workless Liverpool having not long left school, the brutality of the officers, the mud, the executions..... and eventually having the outer parts of hes ears blown off by when a piece of artillery misfired.
Your response - all lies - all made up - Tommy never served in the forces.
You were once given and account by Irish author Patrick Magill who, having been wounded at Loos, describing the disillusionment that was present as early as 1915 - totally ignored.
The Paxman programmes showed the pressure of the recruiting methods - the profiteering that went on to send young men to their deaths, the unpreparedness of the defences of Britain, the cock up at Loos, the wrong ammunition, soldiers returning on t
leave to find that the better off were living as if nothing was happening and their total disillusionment in the war - you still insist that it was a glorious fight, well supported
You have been given evidence by people who were there of summary executions - those who gave it were dismissed by you as gullible or liars.
Your evidence to the contrary - carefully selected partial quotes from less than half a dozen 'historians' (Hastings isn't a historian by your own insisted criterion) who are writing a century after the events AND WHO YOU HAVEN'T EVEN READ - JUST SELECTED THE OUT OF CONTEXT JUICY BITS      
What are you people on - who do you think you are calling veterans liars because they don't serve your jingoistic cause?
You claim I haven';t read a book - I have, but that's beside the point - you certainly haven't though you have consistently lied, claiming you have made a life-long study of the wat - you described one of the major pre-war vents in Germany as "made up rubbish" - that's how muchg of a study you have made of World War One.
You are a joke and a total waste of space
If you have an honest , sensible argument - feel free to put it - I've listed the aspects you hae totally ignored (you even lied about that)
What kind of sadistic morrons are you pair, to dare defend the decimation of an entire generation and to describe those who made the sacrifice as "liars" and "believers of urban legends"
You are a disgrace
Jim Carroll