The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #158683   Message #3754740
Posted By: Richard Bridge
30-Nov-15 - 05:30 PM
Thread Name: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
Subject: RE: BS: Corbyn, Labour and ISIS
No, guest of 0515, you are totally wrong. Series after series of Islamic scholars have lined up to explain why Daesh are unislamic and your assertions about the Koran are wrong.

I am worried however that Akenhateon agrees with me. I may have to reconsider.

The situation about a "free vote" seems to be confused. I last heard anything pretty directly from the House of Commons at about 1400 UK time and it is now 2230. Even then statements from Labour party spokespeople were inconsistent. I think the situation then was that Labour shadow cabinet members were freed from ministerial responsibility so they could speak in favour of bombing, and even vote in favour of it, without being thereby obliged to resign or be sacked from the shadow cabinet. They and all other Labour MPs were still however under a 3-line whip to vote against bombing.

The consequence of failure to observe ministerial responsibility is loss of the ministerial post (and if one is in government the extra salary that goes with it).

I ought perhaps to re-check but I think the only consequence of defying a 3 - line whip may be that the whip may be withdrawn. This does not require the MP to take the Chiltern Hundreds (resign as MP) but would normally mean that the MP could not at the next election stand as representative of the party whose whip he or she defied - so possibly losing their seat.

If anybody has accurate and definite more up-to-date news it would be appreciated.