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Thread #158525   Message #3755913
Posted By: Jim Carroll
05-Dec-15 - 11:48 AM
Thread Name: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
Subject: RE: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
"I have mostly quoted articles and essays available on line."
Every single argument is lifted off line - every one.
"You Jim can not quote anything written by any historian for decades!!"
I don't go in for "my historian is bigger than your historian" arguments - you have shown by your own behaviour that that is pointlessly dishonest.
I have carefully laid out my attitude to the war based on what I believe I have learned throughout my life - not from "Blackadder" as you and your historical quotes dishonestly claim, but the sum total of my life.
You have shown no understanding of the War whatever but come with the attitude that 'My country is never wrong'
You have not responded to one of the points I have made, of how the war was conducted, how a war for territory that took away many millions of lives, how the recruits were persuaded to join, what the British people got out of the war - HOW A WAR CONDUCTED BY SENDING YOUNG MEN TO THEIR DEATHS IN THE MANNER THEY WERE CAN BE DESCRIBED AS ANYTHING BUT SIMPLE BUTCHERY
You have been given a list of acttual cock ups that cost many thousands of young lives - you refuse to respond to them and cointinue with your mantra
You have not responded to one of these points other than to claim that historians you haven't read said it was a well led, just war so it must be true DO YOU NOT REALISE HOW MINDLESS THAT IS? you haven't even read the people you quote.
You even suggest one of your own historians is a liar because his honest response to a critical review doesn't suit your case HE WELCOMED THE REVIEW WAS FAIR AND GENEROUS - IF THAT IS NOT ACKNOWLEDGING ITS ACCURACY WHAT IS IT?
You go out of your way to take quotes from Hastings that contradicts his stated views making him a shoddy historian or a hypocritical liar in his response to the review - either way, not fit to be considered as the historian you have claimed him to be.
You will ignore all this and continue your grotesque version of The Lords Prayer - fine - all the more reason why you should never be taken seriously again.
I don't need less than half-a-dozen historians to make my argument, as you apparently do.
Jim Carroll