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Thread #158525   Message #3758601
Posted By: Jim Carroll
15-Dec-15 - 03:02 PM
Thread Name: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
Subject: RE: BS: Jingoism or Commemoration
"You can call soldiers liars if you like I certainly haven't - "
Your words on our recording Tommy Kenny were:
"I bet he and his mates had a laugh at our gullibility in believing what he said"
You dismissed Harry Patch's statement on shellshock out of hand "because he said he'd never seen a case" and totally refused to respond to the fact that he was fighting next to people who certainly had.
You dismissed the report of summary executions from an old soldier becaus "they never happened" - simple as that.
If that isn't calling soldiers liars - what is?
I have at no time described soldiers as "dullards, simpletons and fools," - because they joined - I have taken great pains to describe the "emotional blackmail, the lying of the recruiting campaigns and the fact that employers forced them to join up under the threat of dismissal and also, as in Tommy Kenny's case, the enticements of three meals, a bed and a uniform which was offered to unemployed young men to gety them to join.
]I pointed out that half of a Paxman programme was dedicated to the techniques - you have responded to none of it.
Our "research" in recording Tommy Kenny was neither slapdash, nor was it research - it was recording actual experiences of an old man for a family who already had the actual details of his service - why are you pair so transparent in your deliberate distortion of what has been said.
Again - Tommy Kenny did not say he saw anybody shot - go ***** read what I wrote about what he said about executions - another case of convenient dyslexia
"strange that none of them mention anything about any such summary executions."
And you continue to call soldiers liars
"originally brought to our attention by Keith A"
Max Hastings (who he has called a liar or hypocrite, and Margaret McMillan - to name tw
]You really should have atayed away from this.
Jim Carroll


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