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Thread #158817   Message #3760522
Posted By: Jim Carroll
23-Dec-15 - 01:11 PM
Thread Name: History and mythology of WW1
Subject: RE: History and mythology of WW1
"As far as being left behind Jom - It was you wasn't it who tried to tell us all that in 1914 there was no work in Liverpool"
Correction - it was me that showed you there was no work in Liverpool - I already knew this - as I said, family history; both of my parents were alive and living in a fair degree of poverty at the outbreak of WW1 - don't need one of Keith's historians to tell m otherwise - SWF to do with "victimhood (a typical Tory smear, like "class jealousy - that's the way it was for working people at the time - nothing unique about my family - it's th way the other half lived.
Lloyd George was still attempting to adapt the Poor Laws at the outbreak of war - look it up, it's in the books.
In most of the North of England there was little work and the tactic of getting men to join the army as an alternative dates back at last to the 18th century.
You really are a nasty, right-wing piece of work, aren't you?
You have yet to even refer to the facts you were given, let alone disprove them, despite your somewhat dishonest attempt to claim you have - nor have you acknowledged all your other foot-in-mouths (democratic war my arse)
"land fit for heroes with everything they could possibly want provided for them"
That is a downright distortion of anything anybody has claimed - if you can't score points, make it up eh?
You have failed to address one single point made about the morality of how and why the war was fought - nor will you - your sort never do.
You have persuaded nobody here and you have humiliated yourselves with you outdated jingoism, your ignorance of how people lived and your grasp of the facts of a war that was fought by first persuading, then forcing young men to slaughter each other for territorial gain.
Your "new facts" change nothing - the soldier's diaries have largely not been published, some are available to researchers and those that have been given the light of day show what a barbaric exercise it all was.
if new evidence has been forthcoming, tell us what we kow now that we haven't always known instead of alluding to it as if you have studied it minutely - WHAT MAKES IT ANYTHING BUT BUTCHER FOR EMPIRE WILL DO FOR A START AND TELLING US WHAT WE GAINED OUT OF IT AS ORDINARY CITIZENS MIGHT HOW THAT IT WAS ALL WORTH WHILE - DON'T BE COY - GIVE IT A GO!!
Jim Carroll