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Thread #158999   Message #3765190
Posted By: Jim Carroll
13-Jan-16 - 10:47 AM
Thread Name: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
Do you actually have any grounds for claiming that Ben Gurion didn't make the statement - if so, what are they - so far you have just denied it because it doesn't suit your arguments in favour of State terrorism
Jim Carroll
Another interesting quote from a Zionist Rabbi
"Speaking of quotes, here is one from Vladimir Jabotinsky, father of Revisionist Zionism: "The Arabs loved their country as much as the Jews did. Instinctively,
they understood Zionist aspirations very well, and their decision to resist them
was only natural ….. There was no misunderstanding between Jew and Arab, but
a natural conflict. …. No Agreement was possible with the Palestinian Arab;
they would accept Zionism only when they found themselves up against an 'iron wall,' when they realize they had no alternative but to accept Jewish settlement."

I saw somewhere an account of a speech that Moshe Dayan gave, back in the '50's, at a funeral of an Israeli killed in a terrorist attack. I wish I could find the source. But his speech was described as starting out sounding like an eloquent defense of the right of Palestinians to resist. He talked of how they lost land and homes, and spoke poignantly of what it must be like to look across a border at your home, but not be allowed to go back to it. But then he went on to say basically what Jabotinsky said – some version of, "They may have a right to fight us but we have to win."

As I frequently point out in arguments about the history of the I/P situation, such quotes prove that the facts are not really in dispute. No serious historian believes that the Zionists just settled on empty land, or even that the Palestinians didn't have valid reasons to resist. The dispute is all about values. Benny Morris was one of the first Israeli mainstream historians to expose the ethnic cleansing of Palestine (Palestinian historians, of course, were saying this from the beginning). But Morris then concludes by saying basically the same thing as Ben Gurion, Jabotinsky, Dayan and the others – "Yeah, we did it, but it was necessary and we had to win."

It is both necessary to be educated about the facts, as well as to look at with what system of values we view them. Thankfully, we have the Henry Cliffords, the Phil Weiss's and the Adam Horowitz's of the world around to remind us of both.

To understand the history of Palestinian dispossession look to the words of Zion