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Thread #158987   Message #3765223
Posted By: Jim Carroll
13-Jan-16 - 12:38 PM
Thread Name: The singers club and proscription
Subject: RE: The singers club and proscription
I don't recall the "randomly" before.
Not my problem Bryan - that's the way it was - my main club was the Singers and I spent two or three nights per week visiting other clubs.
"Anyway, it's nonsense."
And we were doing so well - no it wasn't any such thing - try not to be so belligerent and we might have a discussion.
MacColl flt that the B and B was moving to commercialism and he did what he said he was going to do - set up a new non-commercial tradition based club -what part of that do you have trouble with?
I came to live music while I was an apprentice - Country and Western - listening to the likes of Jimmy Rodgers (the singing brakeman - not the other one), Hank Williams et al, and attending a C&W club in Liverpool town centre
Along came the Music industry, milked the C & W scene, orchestrated all the songs, used it for a while and spat it out.
I started to go to The Cavern to hear what was then the best of jazz - Colyer, Lyttleton, Barber, Lightfoot... with occasional visits from Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee and Donegan
Along comes the Industry again, markets jazz and boom all gone, no more tomorrow.   
Ewan (certainly not alone) and others saw the same thing happening with folk (and was proved very right, given the Folk Boom) and decided to make a stand.
The Singers was presenting good well performed folk songs without compromise until nearly a year after Ewan died - I became one of the long-term beneficiaries of that policy.   
As far as I'm concerned it says "folk" on the tin - I think I know what the word means, no-one has yet given me any reason to doubt what I believe
"There are plenty of clubs where you will here just the sort of music you want,"
There may well but in my experience there are far more who call themselves "folk" who don't.
"Do your research"
Bang - there goes that arrogance again - do you think I haven't - one of the advantages of the net is you don't have to to leave home to check the quality of what's out there - fairly depressing.
On our last three visits to London we have been fairly appalled at what we found - little folk badly performed read from crib-sheets (never saw a mobile phone prompt used before) - as for the new slimline folk scene that used to boast up to fifty clubs a week.
"I'd like to respond to like your latest quote from MacColl but I really haven't got time."
That's a shame!
Jim Carroll