Of course it's an emotional subject, but the question of abortion rates (which is what started this thread, but hey ho) has to be dealt with with hard-headedness, with one aim in mind - to get abortion numbers down to the absolute minimum. Everything tried so far has failed abysmally, the world over. Pete and akenaton parrot out the same old tired moralising rubbish that has let millions of women down so badly, leaving thousands dead or maimed. Only fools keep on making the same mistakes. I posted Monbiot's article because I agree with its overall thrust. He can be as daft as a brush sometimes, but on this occasion he's right on the money. We need a radically different approach, and we need the mullahs, the priests and the nuns involved like we need a hole in the head.