I find the concept of winning or losing a debate with people you do not know or care for, on an internet forum that does not matter, quite absurd. While most people like to discuss things in a lively way and are prepared to give and take a little, there are others just want to win at any cost. Therein lies insanity and the root of most of these arguments. There are also those who like to fan the flames but when they get their fingers burned they run off crying to Mummy. It takes all sorts I suppose...