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Thread #45911   Message #3787813
Posted By: Jim Carroll
29-Apr-16 - 07:47 AM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
"I KEEP ASKING YOU FOR THEM!"
You claimed you had answered them - that was a lie.
This is the first time you have even pretended to address this one
"It was. Only the war delayed it."
It was forced through despite ongoing opposition by Tories and Unionists.
The Irish Parliamentarians accepted it only on the basis that partition would last no more than a year after the war ended.
The Rebels had no reason to believe it would be honoured at all, given the track record of British opposition to any form of Home Rule.
"Yes, as a consequence of the rising."
How did the Rising in any way bring about making partition permanent - bloody nonsense?
Lloyd George admitted it was due to pressure from the Unionists.
You are making this up - who has ever blamed the Rising for the changes - t was the Curragh Mutiny which brought those about.
"No. British government and people would love to be rid of it, "
Again - bloody nonsense - Britain ascertained a majority Unionist vote in the north by Gerrymandering the borders.
Originally, the plan was to partition the whole nine counties of Ulster, Britain dropped the three of them that would have given a Catholic majority in order to create a Protestant State.
"The rebels called them their "gallant allies!""
In providing weapons - no more - Ireland and the Irish did nothing to support Germany in the war.
It was an Imperial war and Ireland had spent centuries trying to get out of the Empire.
Where is your evidence that the Rebels did anything to suppoert Germany - propagands? - statements of support?...... nothing Keith - your claim is out-o-date jingoist propaganda.
"Occurring during Ireland's Revolutionary period, the Irish people's experience of the war was complex and its memory of it divisive. At the outbreak of the war, most Irish people, regardless of political affiliation, supported the war in much the same way as their British counterparts,[1] and both nationalist and unionist leaders initially backed the British war effort. Their followers, both Catholic and Protestant, served extensively in the British forces, many in three specially raised divisions with others in the Imperial and United States armies, John T. Prout being an example of an Irishman serving in the latter. Over 200,000 Irishmen fought in the war, in several theatres and either 30,000,[2] or, if one includes those who died serving in armies other than Britain's, 49,400 died.

In 1916, supporters of Irish independence from Great Britain took the opportunity of the ongoing war to proclaim an Irish Republic and to defend it in an armed rebellion against British rule in Dublin, a rebellion which Germany attempted to help. In addition, Britain's intention to impose conscription in Ireland in 1918 provoked widespread resistance and as a result remained unimplemented."
Jim Carroll