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Thread #45911   Message #3787974
Posted By: Jim Carroll
30-Apr-16 - 02:21 PM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
""the Irish are all gullible and stupid". "
He described Fergie's arguments, which echoed those being celebrated by the Irish people at the present time "wrong, and based on propaganda not fact".
He described the events that are being celebrated at the present time as "a contemptible joke."
He described those events as "murder" as did you.
I have asked him to confirm this as his view but he simply refused to respond, not even to deny my analysis.
In the past he has described Irish children as having been "brainwashed".
His contempt for Ireland and the Irish is palpable - nuff for me
That, as far as I am concerned is describing the Irish people as gullible and stupid.
The fact that he hasn't even had the bottle to respond to these statements and hgas to rely on your standing up for him makes him what he is - talk about dumb and dumber.
"Again that is your rather weird take on things, but in a way it is true"
Somewhat bizarre confirmation of my analysis, but thanks anyway.
"Had there been no Volunteers firing rifles in Dublin that Easter in 1916 there would have been no destruction"
Nor would there have been a movement towards independence - that is what has been shown and you have failed totally to contradict - likewise the many thousands of young man who would have been conscripted to fight for the Empire Ireland had spent centuries fighting and eventually managed to bring about its collapse.
"But the fact was they never did try to introduce it did they"
They tried, and would have done much earlier had they not altered the terms of the treaty and lost the support of the Irish Parliamentarians, who might well have backed them otherwise - Redmond's son was actually fighting in Europe, with his father's blessing.
Given the number of young men Britain sent to their deaths without hesitation, there was no reason whatever that young Irish men would have been excluded as cannon-fodder when the powers-that-be thought necessary - can you think of a reason?   
If my granny had had balls she'd have been my uncle.
"If you cannot see that then you must be bone thick."
Still talking down to people, ever after having your arse kicked, I see.
" think that it has been explained to you "
You are doing it again - please don't talk down to people when you're standing in a hole.
"Parliamentary procedures just simply do not allow your version of events"!.
You arrogant little man; you have been given the details of both Lloyd George's behaviour and his and Asquith's meetings attempting to push through Home Rule with permanent partition - you have also been given Redmond's description of Britain's behaviour as a betrayal" - are you claiming this was all made up?.
Given that the Treaty had lost the support of the Redmondites, given the fact that brutish British behaviour led to the Irish starting a war of Independence, given that when the Treaty was finally forced through with alterations at gunpoint six years later it led to Civil War in the new Republic - the Treaty never stood a cat's chance in hell of being accepted.
Even the acquiescent Redmondites wanted no part of it.
"Jom"
Still not stretched your imagination beyond a typo - maybe I can help, let;s see.
You've tried the infantile 'Christmas' and got bored, why not try "Lewis" - used to amuse my junior school mates.
Jim Carroll