Sorry, Joe, but you really don't understand Keith, do you. It's a bit like when you've been reading and trusting your local paper for thirty years or so, then, one day, the paper reports something about you. It's inaccurate, it misquotes you and it misrepresents you in the extreme. After that, you can never again believe a word it says. Well that's how we are with Keith. My turning point, as if I needed one, was his gross misrepresentation of Geoffrey Wheatcroft. It just so happened that I'd read that Guardian article just before Keith misrepresented it so grossly. When I challenged him, he was unapologetic and would not admit to his glaring error, even in the face of the plain truth. Regrettably, but factually, that makes Keith a liar, Joe. Yes, there are liars on this forum. No need to be so nice about them. Having said all that, your post is otherwise reasonable and measured.