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Thread #45911   Message #3790009
Posted By: Teribus
13-May-16 - 05:25 AM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
"You want to show that The Rebels were all German agents"

Do I Jom? I have never laid any claim that "ALL of them" were any such thing. That their leadership colluded with the German Government in time of war is undeniable.

That their leadership in the form of the secretive Military Council that Pearse and Connelly set up to isolate the Leadership of the IRB and act against their wishes is undeniable.

That the leadership of the Easter Rising deliberately set it up to fail is undeniable.

That their leadership deliberately lied to their men is undeniable.

But the thing that really does amaze me is that the clowns who set all this in motion back in 1916 claiming that if their "Provisional Government" stood for a week, then they would have a place at the Peace talks and Peace Treaty negotiations at the end of the war, obviously didn't realise that in describing the Germans as their "Gallant Allies in Europe" their Irish delegation would have been sitting on the wrong side of the table at those peace talks and treaty negotiations - they like Germany would be having terms dictated to them. Permanent partition would have been guaranteed under Wilson's right of self-determination as the pro-unionist North could clearly demonstrate that they had always opposed those who sided with Germany and quite rightly wanted to be treated as being entirely separate from the enemy of the victorious Entente powers.

Funny thing about military law, there are offences and charges against which there is no defence, no question of guilt, if you have been charged with the offence you automatically are guilty, all you can plead is mitigation. The most common is being AWOL, doesn't matter how or why you were absent, you were absent full stop. Now then Jom the same would be true of those who signed the Proclamation, they had no defence, to those who had taken up arms and fought, there is no defence, so witter on all you like about rules, etc - The rules under Martial Law were whatever they needed to be as viewed by the Officer Commanding - they were guilty as charged and the vast majority of them were treated with extreme leniency considering that they had acted in the way they had in time of war.

The Easter Rising brought about the collapse of the British Empire - DREAM ON. What collapse? What Downfall? if as you state it started in Easter 1916 it must be the slowest collapse in History.