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Thread #45911   Message #3790225
Posted By: Teribus
14-May-16 - 08:24 AM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
"You've been kicked back on every argument you've put up here"

- Only when you are putting words in peoples mouths Carroll.


1: The devastation in Dublin was all the fault of the rebels,

Well yes it was. Had there been no Easter Rising in 1916, nobody would have been killed in Dublin, no looting would have occurred, no fires would have been started, there would have been no artillery fire. People make choices, in this case seven men did, and they must bear the responsibility for what resulted from their chosen course of action.

2: Ireland would have been given independence,

No, in 1914 Ireland was guaranteed Home Rule as soon as the war against Germany was over. Home Rule would have been a stepping stone to Independence.

3: the people supported the war,

Well I'd say that the numbers speak for themselves wouldn't you? 1,250 turned out for your rebellion out of a population of around 3 million. Now that number might have been as high as 15,000 had it not been for the fact that the men who did turn out were lied to and mislead by their leaders who ordered the other 13,750 to stand down and do nothing, thereby guaranteeing that the rebellion would fail. The Irish Volunteers in 1914 numbered around 200,000 strong but when war was declared in 1914 the Redmond faction of the Irish Volunteers that supported the war and serving in the British Army split leaving somewhere between 13,500 and 15,000 that backed armed struggle. As it turned out ~210,000 Irishmen volunteered to serve in the British Armed Forces, now if their families backed their decision then one hell of a proportion of the Irish population supported the war - far more than ever supported Connolly and Pearse

4: 4000 untrained British troops against highly-trained Rebels who had been training for "at least three years"

Where and when did I say that the troops sent to Dublin were untrained? What I did say was that they had just completed their training. Where did I say that the rebels were highly trained? All I said was that they had been drilling for three years - but there again you tend to be not very good at reading, but very good at making up shit.

5: pro-Imperial rebels fighting for Germany

Again where have I said that they were pro-Imperial? Or that they were fighting for Germany? It is undeniable that in their Proclamation Germany is described by the leaders as a "Gallant Ally". An ally = a person, group, or nation that is associated with another or others for some common cause or purpose - Their common purpose? To fight the British. By raising a rebellion in Ireland, British troops would have to be diverted from fighting in France, therefore by raising a rebellion in Ireland those rebels are effectively supporting and aiding the German war effort.