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Thread #45911   Message #3790365
Posted By: Teribus
14-May-16 - 08:35 PM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Jim Carroll - 14 May 16 - 05:53 PM

"What problem do I have with that?"
What the hell's got got to do with you?


You mean apart from the fact that YOU asked ME what problem I had?

One minute, six years of permanent - next minute it's permanent

Does that make any sense to anyone?

But presuming this incoherent rant is about discussions about a suggested amendment to the 1914 Act that never came into force.

No amendments were ever put before Parliament
The 1914 Home Rule Act was repealed and superseded by the 1920 Government of Ireland Act, which only referred to TEMPORARY partition.

Due to the Irish Civil War the only place where the Government of Ireland Act 1920 was implemented was in Ulster, the Nationalists basically ignored it. The 1920 Act set up TEMPORARY Home Rule in both the North and the South, The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 that was ratified by Parliament and by the Dial that created the Irish Free State gave the North the facility to opt out of being part of an independent Ireland, they were given one month to exercise that option - and that is exactly what they did and the six counties in the North remained as part of the United Kingdom.

That't where a century of violence came from - not the ****** Rising

The totally unrepresentative "Men of the Gun" from 1916 set the precedent for claiming a mandate that did not exist then insisting that violence was the only way to attain an independent united Ireland.

The refusal by de Valera to accept the democratic process threw the South into a totally unnecessary and destructive civil war - de Valera's own solution granted the North the right to opt out - so partition couldn't have had anything to do with it.

The illegal territorial claim by the Republic to the North gave latter day "Men of the Gun" an excuse without mandate to go forth to pointlessly bomb, maim and kill their fellow Irishmen to no obvious effect. This was thankfully ended in 1998 with the Good Friday Agreement:

Under the agreement, the British and Irish governments committed to organising referendums on 22 May 1998, in Northern Ireland and in the Republic respectively. The Northern Ireland referendum was to approve the Agreement reached in the multi-party talks. The Republic of Ireland referendum was to approve the British-Irish Agreement and to facilitate the amendment of the Constitution of Ireland in accordance with the Agreement.

The result of these referendums was a large majority in both parts of Ireland in favour of the Agreement. In the Republic, 56% of the electorate voted, with 94% of the votes in favour of the amendment to the Constitution. The turnout in Northern Ireland was 81%, with 71% of the votes in favour of the Agreement.

In the Republic, the electorate voted upon the nineteenth amendment to the Constitution of Ireland. This amendment both permitted the state to comply with the Belfast Agreement and provided for the removal of the 'territorial claim' contained in Articles 2 and 3.


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