With the Government of Ireland Act 1914 passed and Home Rule now a done deal once hostilities with Germany had been concluded what exactly was Redmond and those supporting Home Rule being coerced into?
They were't elected to bear arms - yet you have condemned the Rebels for doing so - whence the difference?
When did the Ulster Volunteer Force use its weapons? The Irish Volunteer Force and the Irish Citizen Army used theirs in an armed rebellion in time of war – see any difference there? If you cannot I am sure others can.
"Asquith confided to a friend 'there is no doubt if were to order a march upon Ulster that about half the officers in the Army would strike."
I do not believe that Asquith was speaking literally and yes he did get it wrong – as for this bit - so maybe he got it wrong and your source got it right - whoops - you didn't give a source, did you? - Unfortunately for you I did give you a source – Namely the text of the telegram sent to the War Office on the evening of the 20th March 1914, by Sir Arthur Paget, Commander-in-Chief of British Forces in Ireland.
"About half the British Officers stationed in Ireland were prepared to back the claims of the Unionists" Again, a quote from Asquith - same book as previous quote
Now that may well be so but he is stating his own opinion not stating a fact. Nobody could have had any idea what the officers of the British Army would, or would not, do. No orders were ever issued to put it to the test. So mere conjecture on your part – NOT FACT.
I asked you, "How could a small number of Army Officers who had resigned their Commissions and left the Army mount a Military Coup? " – to which this rather odd statement came back as an answer:
Asquith again asaessing what would happen if the Home Rule Bill was pushed through - he was not just referring to the Curragh munineers, but those who he estimated might join them. "
Three points here:
1: An assessment of a hypothetical situation is not a fact.
2: As stated above Asquith, even as Prime Minister, was in no position to accurately predict what the officers of the British Army would, or would not, do.
3: There was no Mutiny.
On the Irish Citizen Army {Republican Citizens Army} – you stated that it was set up to defend the Irish people from the threat from the Unionists and The Easter Rising was seen as the only way to obtain Independence for Ireland in any shape or form.
Which of course it wasn't - The Irish Citizen Army (Irish: Arm Cathartha na hÉireann), or ICA, was a small group of trained trade union volunteers from the Irish Transport and General Workers' Union (ITGWU) established in Dublin for the defence of worker's demonstrations from the police. It was formed by James Larkin, James Connolly and Jack White on 23 November 1913 - numbering at most 300 men it could barely defend itself.
It was Redmonds Irish Volunteer Force that was raised to defend Home Rule aspirations. It was not specifically raised to defend anyone against Unionists.
The "WRONG – YOUR OPINION AGAIN – NOT FACT" applied to this statement of yours:
Far from being "unpopular", the Rising was in fact supported by many people throughout Ireland (with the exceptions listed above) and the War, far from being supported was, in fact "extremely unpopular" with the Irish people.
And I drew your attention to the fact that the numbers just do not support your contentions.
You say that the Rising was in fact supported by many people throughout Ireland - ~15,000 of whom only 1,250 to 1,500 turned up to fight. FACT
You say that the War, far from being supported was, in fact "extremely unpopular" with the Irish people. – I would say that all wars are unpopular but out of a population of just over 3 million people over 210,000 Irishmen volunteered to fight for the British Armed Forces in this extremely unpopular war. FACT
And as far as trawling through your tedious drivel goes I cannot for the life of me find any comment from Dangerfield that relates to the above.
You have been given the alttations to the Treaty exactly and how they were made - assuring one signatory that partition was permanent in writing and the other that it was temporary by phone.
Ehmmm NO for the umpteenth time I have been references to conversations about possible and proposed alterations to the 1914 Act, which by the way was not a Treaty, none of which were ever debated and no amendments to the 1914 Act were made subsequent to it receiving Royal Assent in September 1914.
Now then a couple of questions for you:
When and where did I ever say that I thought that Ireland was not entitled to independence?
When and where did I ever say that I thought that the world was a better place when it was divided up into Empires?