I must say, I have tried, but this ahs become like trying to have a serious conversation with a truculent drunk with learning difficulties and someone who constantly accuses you of telling lies - also with learning difficulties.
Between them, they have driven this subject into the ground, as far as I'm concerned - it is neither educational, inspiring or in any way enjoyable.
Pity - it's a subject which interests me and, I suspect, many others and it is far too important to some of us to have to put up with this behaviour.
Perhaps, having learned our lesson, someone might consider opening another - this one has been kicked to death by thugs.
Jim Carroll