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Thread #45911   Message #3792154
Posted By: Teribus
25-May-16 - 04:54 PM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
"Agreement to wait till after the war to decide on the position on partition - For the sake of not having to repeat this again what problem do you have with that statement?"

The problem I have with that statement is that on the 9th July 1914 war had not been declared, Germany had not invaded Belgium, so perhaps you could tell us all how at that time they decided to wait until after the end of a war that had yet to be started.

On the 8th July 1914 the Lords and the Unionists agreed to the temporary six year exclusion that had been proposed as part of Asquith's Amending Bill that had was to be included in the 1914 Home Rule Bill. The amending bill was abandoned on Great Britain's entry into the war on the 4th August 1914.

At no point at all in the process was permanent partition ever promised until Ulster was guaranteed an opt out of an independent Ireland set up by the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921.

Are you suggesting that Lloyd did not tell both sides that partition had been decided in their favour

Lloyd George told Redmond that the six year temporary exclusion previously talked about and agreed to in 1914 would remain. Lloyd George assured Carson that the Unionists would not be forced into a union against their will. Tell us how that matches up to what you have stated above Redmond didn't want partition at all and Carson was not given any promise of there being a permanent partition. The rising led to the war of independence which resulted in the Anglo-Irish Treaty which then gave the Ulster Unionists exactly what they wanted. Had there been no rising, there would have been no war of independence and there would have been no Anglo-Irish Treaty, no opt out for the Unionists. Instead the North and South would have had six years to reach a compromise solution.

""Parliamentary Republicans""
They are referred to as both


Inaccurately and incorrectly, there were no Parliamentary Republicans until after the 1918 election and they all refused to take their seats in Westminster.