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Thread #45911   Message #3793700
Posted By: Teribus
04-Jun-16 - 05:12 AM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
You obviously aren't going to substantiate your "cross-border raids" or your "oppression of Catholics in the Republic, or your "the rebels were all German spies" or "no artillery" - it wos the looters wot started all the fires" or "the poor, offended little flowers of Loyalists" or "the Home Rule Bill was a done deal", or "Tom Kent was guilty of murder, or was it treason".... or anything else you have claimed during this epic.

1: So no cross border raids took place? Try googling 1956 to 1962 IRA Border Campaign and see what you get. Try YouTube "1956 to 1962 IRA Border Campaign Documentary" and see what you get. A great deal of coverage, a 47 minute long Documentary, with many interviews almost all but one from IRA men who participated. Compare their first interviews with what those same men say at the end, particularly their opinions of what the PIRA did during the "Troubles" - very revealing.

If you count the War of Independence there have been five IRA campaigns against the North - not one single one has succeeded or moved the Republicans any nearer their goal.

From that documentary the IRA's stated position there is no alternative to armed struggle and that Ireland must be united by force. If that is what you believe Carroll then come straight out and say that. I on the other hand believe in the right of self-determination for all.

2: Oppression of Catholics in the Republic?? I think I claimed "Oppression of Protestants" Jim.

Try this -
Protestant Decline in the Republic of Ireland

3: "your "the rebels were all German spies"

Care to cut-n-paste the post of mine where I state that? I can confidently predict for anyone else reading this post that he won't, basically because he can't - no such post exists - more Jim Carroll "Made-Up-Shit".

4: The researchers from RTE and Boston College in the Chronology of the Easter Rising found evidence of looting starting in Sackville Street around 15:00hrs on the afternoon of the 24th April 1916, with looting ongoing fires started around 20:30hrs on the evening of the 24th April 1916. Present in Sackville Street during this time were the Irish Volunteers and civilian looters, during the day the Irish Volunteers had fired on and driven away the Dublin Metropolitan Police Force and scouting patrols of British Cavalry. So out of the four groups identified above - Irish Volunteers; Civilian Looters; DMP; British Army - which two groups had the opportunity to start those fires on the evening of the 24th April 1916 - you don't actually have to be Sherlock Holmes to work it out.

British troops and Artillery did not start arriving in any significant numbers until the next day. There was no artillery in Dublin on the 24th April 1916 so it could hardly have been responsible for starting the fires. It arrived from Athlone sometime during the morning of the 25th April and opened fire on barricades in direct line of sight at 15:00hrs on the afternoon of the 25th April 1916.

Their first recording of any artillery fire being directed at Sackville Street occurs almost 40 hours after the fires were started. 40 hours in which no-one made any attempt to put those fires out.

Now I can see no reason why RTE of Boston College researchers should lie about any of this and their accounts check out with those of others.

5: ""the poor, offended little flowers of Loyalists"

You've lost me where exactly have I ever used such a phrase? - More Jim Carroll "Made-Up-Shit" - if not please cut-n-paste the post of mine where I state that.

6: Home Rule was a done deal in 1914. Pity your Republicans, or more correctly your magnificent seven in secret managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (If an independent united Ireland was the objective)

7: Under Martial Law at the time Thomas Kent was charged with firing upon Police Officers and Soldiers and killing one of them William Rowe. Therefore guilty under the provisions of the Treason Act 1351. Under Martial Law and under Military Law you are automatically charged with what is seen to be the more serious offence, as in military law you can reduce charges once made but you cannot increase them.

Now then Jim do you want to make up and fabricate any other comments that you want to take me to task over?