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Thread #45911   Message #3794690
Posted By: Jim Carroll
10-Jun-16 - 03:28 AM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
""It made Prof. Richardson say she wanted to join IRA until she learned the truth." "
Professor Richardson is one person out of - how many - her politics is hardly one you would steer a boat by - she wishes to give Islamists an opportunity to put their case in Britain - is that somebody you would by a used car from?
You have taken one statement from this person that suits your case to prove something that does not exist.
The claim is that Irish children were taught to hate Britain through feeding children lies - no serious researcher has ever suggested that this was ever the case,
Keith's other star witness, Christine Kineally, said exactly the opposite, that Irish history was manipulated to avoid blaming Britain because it was politically expedient for Ireland to do so at a time of continuing emigration.
Neither of you have ventured to suggest exactly what "lies" were told - Keith has absolved himself from doing so by saying he knows nothing of Irish schools - would you like to give it a try - I very much doubt it?
Keith first constructed his argument around Kineally "someone who knows more than the rest of us put together" or some such words, on his basic misunderstanding of the term "revisionist" - now he is reduced to a deliberate misinterpretation of one single phrase.
As well as being an expert on the Famine, her field covers how history was taught - she based an entire book on the subject.
Keith works on soundbites - you don't even bother with that, you rely on people believing your own pronouncements, which nobody ever has really - you have always been an oddball with little support on this forum - your aggressive contempt for those you argue with has made sure of that, as has your extremist right-wing point of view. "Start taking more water with whatever you are drinking Jim." "Otherwise, typical Carroll" incoherent rant."do you really believe that's how an adult should behave - how old are you?
I joked about "pecking order" but it seems it was near enough to the truth to hit a raw spot - whatever you might know on these subjects is wiped out by your aggressive unpleasant manner of talking down to people - your latest offering has reverted you right back to your old insecure insulting behaviour.
Keith's other argument has been that the teaching of Irish history has led the Irish people to hate Britain - he has been forced to frantically back-pedal from that as he has been totally unable to identify any hatred, so he now - all of a sudden - never said that the Irish people hate Britain - a somewhat stupid claim in the face of his own statement.
Keith's now serial dishonesty which has now gone viral, rules him out of any discussion as far as I|'m concerned.
You're own behavior, particularly your refusal to back up your opinion with documented and identified facts, more or less rules you out and your sneery, insecure manner makes any contact extremely unpleasant.
Your ignorance of Irish history is, to say the least, spectacular, and your contempt for the Irish and their understanding and respect for their culture and history is distasteful - your level of argument on this matter is that of a B.N.P. ignoramous.
You want to continue arguing - fine - the subject interests me, but you are going to have to start behaving like an adult if you want to discuss with me - otherwise - go and talk to Keith - you're pretty well matched.
I have no intention of reopening The Famine farce again with you - you refused to address the salient points of the subject last time and I doubt if you want to relive that embarrassment again, so all we can look forward to would be more blustering and abusive haranguing - not interested.
The fact, as I understand them, can be found here 06 Jun 16 - 05:55 AM - you want to discuss them then do so with documented and identified facts of your own and if you manage do do so without the accompanied abusive arrogance, then maybe we'll discuss it - otherwise, take your unpleasant abuse elsewhere.
I've read what Kineally says and I know what her critics say - I also know that the last twenty years has brought a landslide of fresh study and information which has placed her at the forefront of the subject - that's the type of information you pick up from actually reading the subject rather than carefully selecting convenient snippets from the net.
You entire argument here has been reminiscent of Conservative Unionism - aggressive, bully-boy bluster, which would have given the Irish every reason to hate Britain, had they been inclined.
Let's see if you can manage to put a lid on it and produce some real, verified facts instead of insulting invective.
Give it a try - Keith's out, as far as I'm concerned.
Interesting that you should start contradicting Kineally though - do you want to be struck down by one of Keith's lightning-bolts?Jim Carroll