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Thread #45911   Message #3794706
Posted By: Jim Carroll
10-Jun-16 - 06:27 AM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
"No Jim that is not ""
Yes it is.
My family were brought up under the Irish education system so I know from personal experience exactly how it worked
There is no evidence that the Irish hate Britain - Keith has failed to come up with any.
Any hatred comes from British citizens and is based around how the Six Counties administration behaved, nothing to do with education.
Kineally accused the system of ignoring the question of blame - she specifically blames Britain for he famine outcome and goes   - the "Heroes and villians" refers to the limitations of Irish education in teaching events rather than why those events occurred.
It's utterly ridicullous to claim that Irish education deliberately caused anybody to consider join the IRA.
All Irish schools until relatively recently, were largely owned and run by the Catholic Church who opposed Easter Week, opposed the IRA and excommunicated Catholics who were active members
Lets face it, unless you can show otherwise by disputing my list, Britain was culpable for the outcome of the Famine - the only question is whether British policy was deliberately adopted to solve 'The Irish Question' which now appears likely.
If teaching that in schools generates hatred, so be it - it would be wrong not to do so.
I was taught about the Nazi Holocaust in schools - I have no doubt that it generated some hatred against the German people - we have sit-coms to prove it did.
Wsa teaching that subject brainwashing British children to keep hatred alive through the generations - or was it just teaching history?
Up to 1995 no blame was ever apportioned in Irelan - Kineally's point - that is why the Famine has been virtually ignored as a subject for over a century, latterly in order to keep the road to Britain freely open to Irish emigrants.
Immediately after independence Irish schools taught the unvarnished facts, without explanation, just "heroes and villains" - the facts were never altered, but up to 1932, no attempt was made to explain them.
Following the setting up of The Irish Republican State, Irish history was manipulated in favour of Britain, apportioning no blame whatever.
That lasted to the early 60s when more meat began to be put on the skeleton.
The total change, where the Famine was examined minutely, didn't happen until 1997 - that was when the finger was pointed.
If the Irish education system distorted what was taught to kids - how was it distorted and why did it not produce wholesale hatred for Britain throughout Ireland - there is no evidence that it ever did - all the violence came from British Ireland
The Border camopaign is a total red-herring - that is traceble back to the growing unrest in the North - it was at that time that my uncle, aunt and their family were burned out of Derry and forced to flee to Dublin because of the increasing Unionist bigotry - the period is excellently documented in the Thames Television history of 'The Troubles'.
It is never acceptable for any Government to dictate the teaching of history - having been educated in the post Empire era in Britain, I know what an effect it can have on the understanding off the subject, where we were brought up to salute the flag, stand for the Queen and believe that the Empire was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
You have, as far as I can see, an accurate account of how Irish histort was taught in Irish schools (can't remember it ever being taiught in English schools) and the reasons for why it was manipulated, certainly not to engender hatred, in fact the opposite.
If yo have any different account, please give it rather pointing at undigested facts and the words of a somewhat eccentric academic.
Jim Carroll