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Thread #45911   Message #3794874
Posted By: Jim Carroll
11-Jun-16 - 11:53 AM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
""Within this model, 'blame' is generally attributed to key groupings, either within the British government or within the landlord class. To some extent, these beliefs were fostered by the state school system south of the border, which itself arose out of particular historical circumstances. In 1922, for example, the Free State government instructed history teachers that pupils should be 'imbued with the ideals and aspirations of such men as Thomas Davis and Patrick Pearse' and that they should emphasise 'the continuity of the separatist idea from Tone to Pearse' (see Francis T. Holohan, 'History teaching in the Irish Free State 1922-35' in HI Winter 1994).""
That is teaching Irish history Keith and all those people were and remain national heroes and their contribution to Ireland is undisputed anywhere - unlike the British heroes like Cecil Rhodes who we were "brainwashed to admire in our schools" who are now being exposed as mercenary thugs.
If you think that anybody claims that teaching Thomas Davis and Patrick Pearse if "brainwashing" - you really are off your head - I'm attending a launch of a book on the contribution of Thomas Davis to Irish history later this year - the annual RTE lectures are actually entitled the THOMAS DAVIS LECTURES
You really are round the twist.
They were not teaching lies - they were telling it as it was.
Kineally's critiscism was that it was taught without explanation.
Irish Free State 1922-35'
"1938, the editors stated their commitment to replace 'interpretive distortions' with 'value-free history'"
Which is exactly what I said, to which you responded "Your "description" of what you wish she said is shite."
Education changed at the end of the Free State and blame was removed from any teaching - that is what you have just confirmed with your quote.
Irishe children were never at any time taught to hate Britain - not ever - factual history did that.
Kids were taught to admire the heroes certainly - because they were heroes - but that is a million miles away from being brainwashed to hate.
You are now back to claiming that the Irish did hate Britain " is bound to produce anti-British feelings in many if not most of them."
Thought you'd denied saying that - obviously not?
"Do you deny that Jim?"
Of course I ***** deny it and will do so until you produce one single example of that hatred - you have refused to do so - you are making it up.
And you continue to lie about Richardson - to save face no doubt
There are two filmed interviews with her on the web and sever written essays - her subject is terrorism
On each, she links her contact with the IRA to Bloody Sunday.
Her "learning the truth" is basically that she accepted the Protestant version rather than the catholic one.
Truth only becomes truth when it is proven beyond dispute - or apparently, when you pair decide it is.
You have no supporters to your claims of truth.
Her "truth" is no more true than yours and as she is the only one you have been able to come up with during this argument - I know where my money goes.
You will find among her internet stuff that her 'Road to Damascus' conversion led to her views being rejected both by colleagues and friends, making her in the minority too.
You still attempt to maintain an argument long after it has been ripped to shreds - you still have no self-respect
Jim Carroll