GSS, fair point had I given him the name - but I didn't - he did that himself. He sometimes appears as JIm, but I prefer Jom, a name HE CALLED HIMSELF, so is HE being childish? If he ever did take exception to it he has never said and by now he probably doesn't even notice it - for years he deliberately misspelled my name, go back and check.

Lots of things people do on this forum annoy me, I just tend to ignore them and address what they say, suggest you do the likewise, if Jom is not offended by the name then you have no cause for complaint.

Jim Carroll - 15 Jul 16 - 02:56 PM

Now then Jom let's introduce a grain of truth and fact into your latest spittle-flecked rant shall we?

"First Keith said it was only a few sniper rifles"
Then you said they were licenced before the massacre, then you said they were never licencee, then you said they were licences but were never shipped.

In the Homs thread you accused the UK of supplying Assad with arms. You specifically singled out the UK while you studiously and completely ignored the massive Russian contribution of arms and ammunition to Assad's arsenal every month (Two whole ship loads IIRC - still pouring into Syria to this day - not a squeak of complaint about that from Anglophobe Jom).

Your original source and the links supplied by you were to newspaper articles from among others the Daily Mail.

Opening those links and not only reading them but also understanding what they said it was pointed out to you with the relevant sentences quoted from the articles that had so fanned your ire that:

(a) The UK Government had supplied no weapons - they had only granted an export licence to an independent dealer who IIRC was not a British citizen for the supply of NATO 7.62mm ammunition to the value of £15,000

(b) The article mentioned that the licence was granted in 2009. That is a matter of record as is the fact that the unrest in Syria started on the 11th March, 2011. So Both Keith A and myself were quite correct in pointing that out to you.

(c) When did I say they were never lincencee(sic) - I presume you meant to type "licenced". No doubt at all that a licence was issued to a private individual, a businessman who had absolutely no connection with the British Government (Remembering of course that you initially claimed the "arms" were being supplied by the British Government - which was a lie)

(d) At no point at all did I ever state that "they were licences(sic) but were never shipped" - again I presume "licenced" - You on the other hand were asked to prove that they had been shipped - you couldn't

2: Then you said thery were the wrong size as if you knew what the shipmant consisted of.

I did say they were of the wrong size, the article specifically mentioned NATO 7.62mm Ammunition - judge for yourself:

NATO 7.62mm Round

Russian 7.62mm Round

As you probably will not open those links and look at either the photographs or the measuring tapes included in the photographs the bit you need to pay attention to is not the 7.62mm bit but the 51 (NATO Round) and the 39 (Russian Round) those are measurements in millimetres and they tell you that the cartridge case for the NATO round is 12mm LONGER than the cartridge case for the Russian round - So taking into account that Syria's weapons have always been supplied by the Russians and that they predominantly use the Russian AK-47 then NATO 7.62 x 51 ammunition would not fit inside the magazines or the breech of an AK-47 weapon. Once you have grasped those minor details could you please offer any plausible explanation as to why the Syrians would purchase NATO rounds?

3: It was as these points were made to you that YOU Jom did a runner.


4: Relevant extract from Amnesty Report on torture in Syria dated 14th March, 2012:"

"Electric shock torture appears to be widely used in interrogations. Former detainees described three methods: dousing the victim or cell floor with water, then electro-shocking the victim through the water; the "electric chair", where electrodes are connected to parts of the body; and the use of electric prods."

The above is the only reference to the use of electronic equipment for torture in the report - Please show us all Jom where it specifies the equipment used - Please show us where Amnesty International states that the equipment used was supplied by the British Government. I ask for the simple reason I can find no mention of that.

5: "Also used to make toothpaste"
So?
It was made quite clear by the outcry at the time that it was equally usable for chemical weapons
What's your point?
"which it was most likely used for going by the manufacturing records and sales data from the company supplied."
More made up "facts"

A but Jom WAS IT USED to make Sarin? - YOU have no way of knowing, so why are you shouting to the roof tops that it was - YOU DON'T KNOW. That is my point.

When was the last shipment of sodium fluoride made? 2010. The chemical weapons strike that caused the uproar occurred on the 21st August 2013.

Who was it shipped to - Two Syrian cosmetics companies that manufactured among other things toothpaste. When a BIS spokesman was asked he said:

"The five licences were granted to two UK exporters. We cannot publish their names for reasons of commercial confidentiality. The end-users were two commercial Syrian companies.

The quantities of sodium fluoride involved were commensurate with the stated end use in the production of cosmetics and there was no reason to link them to Syria's chemical weapons programme. This remains to be the case"

I didn't make that up it was in the Daily Mail article that you yourself referred to Jom. Now how did they know the sodium fluoride supplied by them went into the manufacture of toothpaste? Because the amount of toothpaste produced was checked and found to match the quantities of sodium fluoride sent.

6: "Electric shock torture appears to be widely used in interrogations. Former detainees described three methods: dousing the victim or cell floor with water, then electro-shocking the victim through the water; the "electric chair", where electrodes are connected to parts of the body; and the use of electric prods."

On the contrary Jom, when Assad kicked this off I was all for hitting him and hitting him hard, just as David Cameron and Barack Obama wanted to at the time - but it was the anti-war crowd, yelling about Iraq and Afghanistan, who won the day didn't they? So no action was taken and thus ISIS flourished.

In conclusion I will turn your own words back on you:

When will you ever ****** understand how stupid your bullshitting makes you look look?

That'll do nicely!