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Thread #159827 Message #3802819
Posted By: Teribus
31-Jul-16 - 03:07 AM
Thread Name: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Steve Shaw - 30 Jul 16 - 07:37 PM
1: "Well, at least you answered your own question."
Which one? You certainly wouldn't, you never do.
2: "I thought for a second that you were presenting me with a real challenge, but then you went and spoiled your case with a fully-expected Islamophobic rant about the two organisations who are trying to run benighted territories whilst keeping Israel at bay."
And you chose to ignore it as you normally do.
Which one of you clowns steadfastly proclaims that it is not anti-Semitic to criticise Israel? Yet according to you any criticism of either Hamas or Hezbollah is Islamophobic!! - What a good little "Animal Farm Socialist" you are Shaw - Firm believer in there being "one sauce for the goose and another for the gander" because we should all know that "some animals are more equal than others". All that shows about you is that you are duplicitous and hypocritical.
Hate to have to point the blatantly obvious out to you Shaw but Hamas and Hezbollah are "keeping nothing at bay" - THEY are the problem, they are purposely keeping the conflict running because that is what their Iranian paymasters demand. The second they stop doing Iran's bidding the flow of arms and money stops and both those organisations are toast.
I think that purely going by track record that you can establish very rapidly that "try to run two benighted territories" is well down the list of priorities of either Hamas or Hezbollah. In the time that they have been "in power" intolerance and repression have flourished and despite the enormous sums of money given by the international community neither have succeeded in doing anything to advance the living conditions and quality of life of those they "govern".
Tell me who are the Israelis attacking and killing right at this moment? Nobody. Why? Because nobody is attacking them right at this moment. Egypt, Israel's most implacable and constant foe from 1948 until 1979 when their Peace Agreement was signed. Since March 1979 how many times have Egypt and Israel fought? I think that you will find that their Peace Agreement has lasted, why? Because Israel over the last 37 years has not been threatened or attacked by Egypt.
3: "But they happen to be in charge and we do have a long history of propping up far worse people (your hero Maggie thought the WORLD of Pinochet!)"
Thankfully and to our great credit I do not believe that we, here in the UK as a nation, are actually propping up either Hamas or Hezbollah, even although Jeremy Corbyn describes them as his friends.
I do believe that Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom did have good reason to be grateful to Pinochet's Chile due to the support they provided during the Falklands Conflict - they saved the lives of British Servicemen. Pinochet was replaced how Shaw? By force of arms or by democratic process that he himself initiated? I think that you find it was the latter. Can you see either Hezbollah or Hamas EVER even remotely considering doing that? I certainly can not.
4: Now we have the Shaw questions that must be addressed {Would that he was so good at answering questions put to him}:
"So tell me. What you gonna do about them? Who would you put in their place? No, honestly, I really do want to know what your solution is!"
Well it would appear that your solution would be to side with, "prop up", support to the hilt and ensure expansion of their power and influence of those you know to be - Nasty; Anti-Semitic; Totalitarian; Belligerent - and all at the expense of the only democratic country and haven of political and religious tolerance in the entire region.
What would I do with regard to Hamas and Hezbollah? I would relentlessly expose them for exactly what they are - corrupt, inefficient bandits who have robbed the people they purport to "govern" of their freedom, security and any hope of future prosperity.
"Who would you put in their place?" Well for a start I wouldn't put anybody in their place, as that would be up to population wouldn't it? But let's face it anybody would be a vast improvement on what they have now.
"No, honestly, I really do want to know what your solution is!" - No you don't, you are not in the slightest bit interested. How did I know that? You used the word "honestly" - You haven't got the foggiest notion of what that word means.