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Thread #159827   Message #3807753
Posted By: Teribus
31-Aug-16 - 11:31 AM
Thread Name: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
"The Jewish people are not responsible for the land-grabbing or the massacres, or the murderous incursions.... the Israeli regime is."

You mean just like in the 19th century westward expansion in the United States of America - "The American settlers were not responsible for the land-grabbing or the massacres, or the murderous incursions.... the American Government/regime was." Which of course is wrong, personal greed of the population and pressure of population prompted the expansion. The 1776 War of Independence was not fought over "Taxation" and "Representation" - they served as the convenient excuses - the war was fought to break the 1754 treaty that the British signed with the Native Nations that limited westward expansion - a treaty that the British honoured. The War of 1812 was another similar opportunistic land grab where at the end of hostilities the British honoured the terms of the treaty and the American Government did not, but nobody at the time could be bothered with objections - after 21 years of war Britain and Europe wanted peace.

When it comes to Palestine {That is the League of Nations Mandated Territory of 1923}, European Jews had been settling there since around 1847, there were also Jews who had been resident in the Territory for at least 800 years {Hebron was a largely Jewish city}. All land settled by the European arrivals was bought from the Ottoman rulers, who generally sold land that they thought was worthless, modern farming methods related to drainage and irrigation altered that and where land couldn't be farmed it was given over to industry. Most of the land was owned not by individuals but by the Ottoman administration - examination of maps shows this clearly - When the Mandate was established - what had been unassigned "government land" under the Ottomans became unassigned "government land" under the British Mandate Authorities. Throughout the period of the Mandate parcels of this land was sold off. The only recognised borders of Palestine are those of 1923, there are no officially recognised borders for Israel or any Two-State solution primarily because in 1947 the Arabs of Palestine refused the Two-State Solution offered by the UN. Under the terms of the 1923 Mandate anybody could settle anywhere in Palestine, only Arabs could settle in what was then called Transjordan. To settle all you required was the purchase price of the land.

The Arabs of Palestine basically found themselves in two camps, one backed by those who ruled Transjordan who wanted to take over the lot, a second group headed up by Yasser Arafat's Uncle, the self-styled Grand Mufti of Jerusalem wanted to expel the Jews, take over what they had built up and make it into his own fiefdom. He was responsible for the attacks made on the Jews of Palestine by the Arabs of Palestine from 1920 onwards.

Asked before and I will ask again: How many rockets/missiles have been fired from Gaza or the West Bank into Israel in the last month? (Think you'll find that the answer to that is NONE) Now tell me how many Israeli attacks have there been on Gaza or in the West Bank in the last month? (Think you'll find that the answer to that is also NONE) - Spot the correlation? Since May 1948 the Arabs of the region have been unable to - they still chose war over peace - and they still lose - The Israelis cannot be blamed for the intransigence of the Arabs of Palestine, or more correctly their leaders, who have deliberately kept the people they are supposed to be responsible for looking after in poverty and a state of hopelessness - charity cases to be presented to the international community on demand. Remember the Israelis took in more Jewish "refugees" than the Arabs took in Arab "refugees" big difference being that the Israelis allowed their refugees to integrate, the Arabs shut theirs up in Refugee Camps on land belonging to the self same refugees and used them as political pawns and a convenient income stream.