'The real point' of this thread is to discuss the US President elect surely? The whole premise of the debate started as an apology from two US citizens for appointing Donald Trump. If people wish to try to turn it to air their pet soundbites that is up to them but they do so at the risk of certain ridicule and probable censure for doing so.

If anyone believes that Donald Trump or Nigel Farage are the answer, then I am pretty sure they do not understand the question. Anyone supporting either of these two caricatures whilst still purporting to be on the left wing cannot have a complete grip on either politics or reality.

DtG