Jim Carroll - 30 Nov 16 - 05:19 AM

"Teribus is a blusteriing bullying thug who thinks he can win arguments by talking down to people - a true graduate of the Donald Trump School of Non-Thought.
He has never demoished anybody with yhese tactics"

WOOPS Jim maybe I will get up my own "Reminder List"

But as far as demolition jobs go this ol' Teribus has managed to point out and prove that you are a barefaced liar on two threads just recently. Not surprised really that A C Grayling impresses you - he deals in lies and misrepresentation exactly in the same way that you do.

1: confidently and frequently repeated untruths wrapped up in catchphrases will persuade, while sober analysis and discussion will not.

A tactic used by the "usual suspects" on every thread that they "contribute" to.

2: A senior BBC news editor – Ah yes the totally objective and impartial BBC – I wouldn't trust the BBC to report anything factually, impartially and objectively if my life depended upon it.

3: Having achieved a very small majority of votes cast on the day, actually constituting only 37% of the total electorate (26% of the British population), they have run with it as vigorously as they can, claiming it as an 'overwhelming' demand by 'the people' that both mandates and binds the Government to take the UK out of the EU."
The Banner for The New European proclaims that it is the voice of the 48% - 48% of what? The electorate? Nope. The 48% they are referring to amounts to a lesser percentage of the total electorate and an even lesser percentage of the British population than those who voted to Leave. So it would appear that A.C. Grayling is quite adept at colluding with those who seek to bamboozle and mislead.

4: UKIP and the minority of the Tory party in Parliament knew they would never get a Brexit by Parliamentary means or at a general election; but at long last, having made life hell for every Tory Prime Minister since Edward Heath, they succeeded in getting one of their leaders to promise a referendum.

A C Grayling conveniently forgets that the British electorate were lied to and fed " highly doubtful if not downright dishonest statements" in 1973 and again in 1975 that got us into and then kept us in the EU. From that time onward there have always been vocal Eurosceptics in every political party in the UK. The fiasco of introducing the Treaty of Lisbon by the back door by Gordon Brown was basically the straw that broke the camel's back. Cameron promised a Referendum on EU membership in 2010 but had to renege on that promise at the insistence of his coalition partners, the Lib-Dems. The firm promise to commit to an EU Referendum was one of the things that won the Conservatives their Parliamentary Majority in 2015.

One unassailable fact is that the result of the Referendum on the UK's EU Membership was that the 52% of electorate of the UK who could be bothered to vote, voted for the UK to leave the EU. And A C Grayling has the gall to witter on about a "Coup".