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Posted By: Jim Carroll
04-Dec-16 - 11:17 AM
Thread Name: BS: Brexit again
Subject: RE: BS: Brexit again
Your vociferous defence of forcing Asylum Seekers to wear identification bands – after the right-wing press had compared it to "Jewish Yellow Stars" and it had been abandoned as a dangerous practice.
The list is in reverse order - the last posing was the first you posted
Jim Carroll

08 Feb 16 - 04:28 PM
As far as I am concerned there was nothing wrong with the colour of the doors, the house number plates, or the wristbands.....these people are seeking asylum, they will be receiving benefits, food, and a newly refurbished house, something our own young people can only dream about.   Try to get a grip on reality, the media sniffed a human rights story and dived in feet first....rather than take them on as they should have done, the housing agencies backed down.

08 Feb 16 - 03:44 AM
Jim..."armbands" were wristbands, the difference has already been explained.
The "red plaques" were door numbers, why do you continue to call them "plaques"......does it sound more in keeping with your CT?
The "red doors" were company policy, just as the doors of our council houses were at painted green......of course the Rangers supporters thought that was a conspiracy too!! :0)
I am amazed that you can continue this nonsense.

30 Jan 16 - 06:52 AM

"It is a way of tagging people and it has been proven to have put people at risk yet our star super-rights continue to defend the use of compulsory markers to identify foreigners - why am I not surprised"
Rubbish! It is a way of identifying those who have entitlement not "foreigners"....the majority of immigrants don't have entitlement.
Get a grip, or give it a rest.

30 Jan 16 - 06:42 AM
The "red plaques" Jim,   You forgot to mention that they were house number plates newly fitted on specially refurbished property.
hat colour of number plate would be acceptable to you....the wristbands were pink by the way.
This whole pantomime carried out by the media is getting beyond a joke!......Who is actually running this country?

Jan 16 - 05:26 AM
Exactly.....Even! George Galloway on TV this morning was unable to condemn it, saying that it was common practice at Rock concerts and other public occasions to differentiate between those who had paid for entry and those who had not.

29 Jan 16 - 02:59 PM

Jim, don't you realise that this whole petty charade has been orchestrated by the media and they will make a meal of it.
Nothing they print on this non issue has any credibility.
For once in your life use your own brain to work things out.
Keith is perfectly correct, but the media hounds are on the scent of a story, politicians are running scared and truth and common sense are abandoned.

29 Jan 16 - 06:57 AM
It would seem to me that the wristbands were used in case of language difficulties, to aid communication?
That would seem the sensible answer to the dilemma.....but who cares about common sense when there is a political point to score!! :0)

28 Jan 16 - 06:56 AM
Jim, I know you are not stupid,
so I can only presume that you are being disingenuous.
Of course I don't support attacks on anyone, but I am not "surprised" when they happen under the circumstances and I do not believe that door colour has anything at all to do with it....I'm sure there are millions of red doors on letting property all over the country behind which dwell all sorts of people.

28 Jan 16 - 06:11 AM
I think a sense of perspective is required.
We assisted in the "democratisation" of the Middle East and North Africa so our government have a duty to clear up a part of the mess incurred......do not act so shocked or surprised if a large section of the population react against this, given the austerity they are being asked to suffer due to a failure of the current economic system.
The uniform painting of the exterior of rented property has never been a means of discrimination, simply business practice.
The response on this forum makes me shake my head in disbelief at the capacity of so many people to absorb media bullshit.

27 Jan 16 - 02:17 PM
On BBC last night, they were saying that there hade been no attacks on houses or persons in that vicinity.

27 Jan 16 - 02:14 PM
I don't believe for a minute that any commercial enterprise would deliberately encourage vandalism of their property Jim, that argument just doesn't make sense.
Additionally I'm sure everyone in the town knows where the ASs have been housed, they do not need to rely on door colour to find them.
Perhaps you are suggesting that foreign AS should be placed amongst local people one or two per street, but I'm sure that would be very difficult to organise and would involve the decamping of local families.....I don't think the AS would be very happy either as they would probably feel isolated.
As far as I can make out, the houses were empty, then bought and refurbished specially to accommodate these people, that is why there are so many AS housed together.
Do you believe in "bogey men" Jim?

27 Jan 16 - 11:06 AM
But why would they want their property damaged?

27 Jan 16 - 05:00 AM
Jim it pains me to say this, but you are acting in a deranged manner over this....no one is defending anything, there was a reason why letting agencies wanted all their property to remain uniform externally.    Public taste. Some people have weird ideas on how their houses should look, and if they are not in a conservation area and they own the property that is fine....however if they do not own the property they will normally not be allowed to tamper with the outside decoration or dictate what colour it should be.
Additionally what would be the purpose of "identifying asylum seekers", to the letting agencies? this could cause trouble and damage to the property.
Are you seriously contending that this was the letting agencies intentions?.......I think you are being disingenuous, you don't believe such a thing, but find promoting the idea as beneficial to your "liberal" agenda.
The whole episode is a nonsense a symptom of a society which no longer has any cohesion or belief in itself.....and I am sorry to say that it is people like you and others on this forum....who have made it so.
"The politics of the madhouse"

26 Jan 16 - 05:13 PM
If anyone painted their doors or walls another colour, they were censured and had to pay for repainting.
Tenants rights are confined to the inside of property in regard to decoration......Landlords are responsible for outside maintenance, unless tenants offer to do it at their own expense, then their request will be considered.

26 Jan 16 - 05:02 PM
I used to live in a council house, the doors a walls were painted every couple of years by council workers.
Tenants were not allowed to decorate the OUTSIDE of their houses.
There were no asylum seekers in our scheme.
Exterior decoration is probably covered in the terms of lease.

26 Jan 16 - 11:06 AM
Perhaps something to do with language difficulties? Was there any additional information on the wristbands?
If the people were from Syria or Libya I don't suppose racists would require wristbands to identify them.

6 Jan 16 - 10:28 AM
What a joke, they're painting the doors four different colours, but there is a problem ....they have only one colour of undercoat :0(
They'll need to slap the gloss on quick!!
You folks need to get a bloody life, the lady was right it's about economics.....the council used to paint all the doors green because they bought a bulk lot.

26 Jan 16 - 05:02 PM
I used to live in a council house, the doors a walls were painted every couple of years by council workers.
Tenants were not allowed to decorate the OUTSIDE of their houses.
There were no asylum seekers in our scheme.
Exterior decoration is probably covered in the terms of lease.