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Thread #160410   Message #3825126
Posted By: Steve Shaw
07-Dec-16 - 05:53 PM
Thread Name: BS: Labour party discussion
Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
Superstar post, Dave. Naz was an idiot, not an antisemite, a learner of lessons. Saving her own arse. All those things. The context was a right-wing onslaught from pro-Tory tabloids and the Israeli regime and a Labour leadership that was inexperienced and panicky.

What a comedown to have to consider bobad's abject post. What she said is antisemitic if the definition is correct. Which it isn't. If the definition has been adopted but is incorrect, she is not antisemitic. The adoption of a definition does not imbue it with correctness or special authority. The definition has been pushed, pushed and pushed by pro-Israeli regime lobby groups. The EUMC version was proposed by a group that was "advised" by overwhelmingly pro-Israel regime lobbies. Rightly, it was abandoned before it was adopted. I actually don't think we need to have an "official definition." Billions of people happily follow a religion yet there's no "official definition" of God. Antisemitism is easy to define. It's as easy to define as any other kind of racism. Nothing complicated or special about it that needs committees driven by pro-Israel lobbies. If you attack, oppress, criticise or discriminate against Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS, you are antisemitic. You are not necessarily antisemitic (depends on your motives, as ever) if you criticise the state of Israel or the policies or actions of its regime. Having "definitions" drawn up by pressure groups pushed down your throat is a very bad way to go. Positively divisive. And it gets their proponents absolutely nowhere. Wittering on about it as bobad and Keith do just victimises Jewish people and helps to put them in harm's way. Ups the ante, big-time. People like bobad and Keith are the arch-enemies of Jewish people the world over.