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Thread #160410   Message #3830172
Posted By: Keith A of Hertford
03-Jan-17 - 12:06 PM
Thread Name: BS: Labour party discussion
Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
Steve,
"On survey after survey, American Jews are opposed to Jewish settlement expansion. They tend to favor a two-state solution and their political identities are liberal or moderate," he said.

Completely irrelevant to my claim Steve.
My claim was about the will of the people on supporting Israel or supporting the Palestinians.
Not "Apart from the settlements" supporting Israel or supporting the Palestinians.

Guardian, " 59% of Americans say their sympathies lie more with Israel, as opposed to just 13% who say their sympathies are more with the Palestinians."

2015 CNN/ORC poll,
Thinking about the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians in the Middle East, please tell me whether, in general, you think America should be...?  (CNN/ORC, February 2015)
A strong supporter of Israel
27%
A supporter of Israel
26%
A supporter of the Palestinians
8%
A strong supporter of the Palestinians
3%

My point proved. I was right and you were wrong.

What do American Jews feel about Obama not using the UN veto to protect Israel over the settlement issue?

From your link Steve,
"But for others, even those who support a two-state solution and object to Israeli settlement policy, the decision by the United States not to shield Israel at the United Nations — which is widely viewed among many American Jews as hostile to Israel — was a mistake. Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, a Democrat with a large Jewish constituency, called the Security Council action unnecessary and inappropriate,"

"Rabbi Rick Jacobs, the president of the Union for Reform Judaism, the largest Jewish movement in North America, said it was "a miscalculation in our minds. I think a majority of American Jews would agree, no matter how one feels about settlements, that the idea that the U.N. is an honest broker when it comes to Israel is laughable."
For Shira Greenberg, a public school teacher in Florida, Mr. Obama's rebuke of Mr. Netanyahu confirmed her worst assumptions about the president. "Throughout the whole Obama administration, people were trying to guess where he stood," she said after morning services at her conservative synagogue on Thursday. "At this point, it's pretty clear."
And at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles, a large and politically divided congregation, Rabbi David Wolpe said Mr. Obama had "pulled the rug out from under people who said the president's intentions toward Israel was positive and strong."
The public display of rancor is unsettling. "Nobody in the community can be happy
when you have this public spat between the prime minister and the president, and the kind of language the prime minister has been using about the president," said Daniel C. Kurtzer, who has served as the United States ambassador to both Israel and Egypt.
David Zwiebel, the executive vice president of Agudath Israel of America, which represents ultra-Orthodox Jews, said that there is a general sense among Orthodox Jews, who tend to be more conservative, "that the outgoing administration is outgoing and should be outgoing, and it's time for an approach that is more openly supportive of Israel."

So, I was right that the will of the American people is pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian. That may not be true of a majority of Jews but even they denounce Obama's withholding of the veto.

As ever, I was right and you were wrong.