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Thread #161249   Message #3831350
Posted By: Stu
09-Jan-17 - 05:56 AM
Thread Name: BS: Theresa May's new year message
Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
"but they have no place in a rational discussion."

Really? How do you work that out? We live our very lives by using instinct and experience to guide us. We have all known people that seem to


"but it does not make them "loathsome," "racist," "xenophobic," "repulsive" or any of the other silly names thrown about here with no actual knowledge or facts to back them."

In the case of "loathsome" and "repulsive" then it certainly does, from a personal point of view. As for being "racist" and "xenophobic", then history has given us the warning signs and we must be wary of demagogues promising to return to out former glory.

The Mirror covered the story here, with screenshots.

The demonisation of scientists and other "experts" by the alt-right is the thin end of the wedge, a tactic straight out of the authoritarian handbook. Artists of all disciplines, free thinkers, intellectuals, writers, journalists and musicians are all feeling the heat from the rise of the right in the UK and the US. Take that with the descriptions by alt-right commentators and Prime Minsters of refugees as "a swarm", a "bunch of migrants", "cockroaches" and any other number of dehumanising slurs and it's not hard to see which way the wind is blowing.

It's perfectly acceptable to suggest that the feeling that someone is unpleasant is a reason for not kowtowing to their line of thought or political persuasion. These feelings seem to be correct; I see nothing in the conduct of Farage, Nuttall or their new Messiah Trump that makes me think these people are worthy of giving my allegiance or backing to.

I'm interested in fundamental truth and whilst it would be fair to say many politicians avoid these truths, the likes of Farage et al actively subvert and obfuscate facts for their own ends. These people are unethical, amoral and narcissistic demagogues that lie and deceive because it's their own views are too unpalatable to be aired without being obscured by rhetoric.

We are a better society than this, we can find better leaders who aren't in thrall to the markets above everything else and who don't sow division to strengthen their own position or demonise the less fortunate and who eschew truth for lies.

I won't stand alongside these people who don't value progress and compassion and what is best about the human spirit, about our creativity and curiosity. I've got 6 million reasons to reject them and their vile politics.