Ehmmmm, I'd say that the people clutching at straws here are those whining about things that have not happened - "invented reality" - oh yes Shaw worry, "the sky is falling".

"Because of Brexit and Trump, the EU is in danger of collapse."

As you seem to have cast yourself as the forum's expert on talking bollocks, I take it that quoted above is merely one of your finer examples which I suppose would fall under the classification of "Complete and utter" bollocks.

Now should I be bothered to review your position on Brexit on the appropriate threads, would I find a Shaw predicting catastrophe for the UK and descriptions of the EU ever moving forward to the sunny uplands of economic success, prosperity and attainment of the "socialist" Utopia?

Take a bloody good look at dissatisfaction with the EU within the European member states Shaw and you will find that it is widespread, well established and was in existence long before Brexit and long before Donald Trump won the 2016 US Presidential election.

You mention Le Pen. The Political Party she leads was founded when? It was formerly led by who - Her father wasn't it? And he was elected leader of it WHEN**?

Similarly Geerd Wilders**

** As Shaw will not answer questions asked. In the case of Jean-Marie Le Pen his National Party was formed by him in 1972 the year BEFORE the UK joined the EU. While Wilders formed his Party in 2004

If the EU is under threat it is because of it's own actions, it's monstrous corruption, inefficiency and slavish adherence to ideology irrespective of the problems being faced and sage advice given.